SAP: Deciding about SAP-BPC (nee Outlooksoft)

Outlooksoft ScreenshotUpdate: Since this article was written, SAP has made public more of its Budgeting & Planning roadmap. At this point (3/21/2008), BPC is definitely the way to go if you don’t already have BI-IP implemented. Read more here.

Anyone who has been watching the acquisition activities of SAP and Oracle of late is sure to have their head spinning, and there doesn’t appear to be any pause in the pace either. A couple of weeks back, it was SAP’s assimilation of Business Objects. Right now, it’s Oracle with BEA pinned to a cork board like a bug. All of this activity is a bit unsettling for anyone trying get functionality implemented today since it may mean that the roadmaps for the functions you’re spending cold, hard cash on today are uncertain at best.

We are currently in the process of replacing our in-house developed budgeting system. Being an SAP shop, we’re looking for an SAP solution, or at least one that integrates really well. The trouble is not a dearth of options, but rather too many options under the SAP umbrella. Here’s a quick rundown on what’s available:

  • BI-IP (BI Integrated Planning) – a relatively new option with a limited but growing install base – the current generation of SAP based planning
  • BPC (Business Planning & Consolidations – here’s a pdf on reporting within BPC) – previously Outlooksoft, a best-of-breed budgeting system that is being folded into the BI landscape – this may be the next generation of SAP planning
  • SEM-BPS (Business Planning & Simulation) – a couple of generations back – BPS was replaced by BI-IP
  • Good ol’ R/3 based planning – be sure to have a couple of forks nearby to relieve your urge to jam one into your eye if you attempt this

We’ve seen demos of both BI-IP and BPC, and the BI-IP demo had us thoroughly hyped before Outlooksoft came into the picture. It was new, sported some very cool tools like Virtual Composer and Web App Designer, and was the way of the integrated future. Then suddenly, the landscape changes, and now there is Outlooksoft. Significantly less complex than BI-IP, more of an end-user tool, giving Accounting and Finance more self determination with less reliance on IT resources (at least that is the impression I’m given), and a 2-4 month implementation versus a 6-10 month BI-IP implementation. Of course there is additional licensing, but that is expected.

Is SAP-BPC the way of the planning future? There are certainly some very large companies drinking the koolaid, but I’ll let your SAP rep tell you about those.

The good news is that whether we go with BI-IP, BPC, or even BPS, SAP lets dead horses live on for quite a few years before taking them out behind the barn. All the same, this is one little piece of the future I’d like to know (certainly not the one piece I’d pick if I could choose just one ;-) , but one that would certainly help me today).

There is too much dust in the air to see clearly where it is all going. And unfortunately, we can’t sit around and wait for it to settle. We must choose and choose wisely. I’ll keep you posted!

Byron

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95 Responses to SAP: Deciding about SAP-BPC (nee Outlooksoft)

  1. kamal December 28, 2007 at 4:17 am #

    Hello All,

    Please provide be ample documents pertaining
    BPC 5.1.

    Regards,
    Kamlesh.

  2. Prashanth Sowdi February 6, 2008 at 4:14 am #

    Hello All,

    Can you please provide some documents on why a user would prefer SAP BPC over BI-IP in terms of application and usage.

    Also who would ( Industry) prefer SAP BPC over BI-IP.

    Thanks,
    Prashanth

  3. byron February 6, 2008 at 9:29 am #

    Hi, Prashanth and Kamlesh,
    Unfortunately, I do not have any documents beyond what is generally available through SAP. Here’s a starting point in SAP for BPC: SAP BPC Education
    I believe that many customers are choosing BPC over BI-IP for the simplicity that BPC offers. The cost to implement BI-IP is generally considered to be significant. I work in St. Louis, and am told that several of the LARGE SAP shops here in town are moving to BPC, including one that had started a BI-IP project and determined to switch. I have absolutely no evidence of this, so I’m not going to name any names. If you’d like corroboration on those statements, I’d recommend contacting an SAP representative. I can give you a name and em a il address if you’d like to em a il me at byron * citytracs.com.
    Good luck in your implementation process!
    Byron

  4. Jeff Atwel February 14, 2008 at 1:01 pm #

    How does BOBJ compliment OutlookSoft or visa versa.

    How does BOBJ compare, compliment or compete with HP’s NeoView.

  5. byron February 14, 2008 at 1:28 pm #

    Hi, Jeff,
    Unfortunately, I’m not familiar with Busiess Objects’s or HP’s offerings in this arena. You do highlight yet another player in the Budgeting/planning field that SAP has acquired. What does this mean for good old Outlooksoft (BPC) if the BOBJ offering is superior? I, for one, will be glad when the dust settles a bit on the SAP Budgeting landscape. The choice is so much easier when there are fewer choices and a unified message. It will certainly take some time for SAP to get the message straight with all the acquisitions, and that’s understandable. But one can pity those poor folks who are being forced to choose one of the products, whether they are newly implementing SAP or switching from another GL package.

    Any insight you might provide would be appreciated.
    Byron

  6. Nonie March 7, 2008 at 3:05 pm #

    Avoid BPC AT THIS TIME. It might be ok in a year or two or five, but right now, it’s just too buggy and immature – regardless of what anyone tries to tell you. Companies that have migrated from spreadsheets might say it’s good but that’s just because almost anything is an improvement over spreadsheets. Check out Oracle/Hyperion’s Planning product or even just the Oracle/Hyperion Essbase product by itself — 1st class and LIGHT YEARS better from a development and a user perspective. BPC Demos might look ok but setting the system up and even maintaining it in production is a pain – many, many undocumented errors; difficult, cumbersome report set-up; lack of flexibility with dimensions (ex. – Time dimension – prefers linear time instead of option to set up separate year and quarter/month dimensions, has significant difficulty with non-standard and/or multiple calendars, etc.) and MAJOR lack of dynamic analytic functionality – something essential for a good BI product. BPC utilizes MS Analysis Services/SQL Server (another company’s technologies) = potential code update and communication issues. MS also introduced PerformancePoint (a BPC competitor) this fall/winter = potential conflict that BPC may try to get over by changing its mdb engine (= more potential for problems). Also, don’t let the fact that SAP bought the product lead you to believe that it’s good — SAP simply waited too long to purchase and BPC was about all that was left.

  7. byron March 8, 2008 at 12:32 pm #

    Nonie,
    I take it that you are speaking from experience. It would be nice for others to weigh in on their experiences as well. I’d really like to see if this is a common experience or if the mileage varies on this.
    Byron

  8. Kris Bornauw March 26, 2008 at 5:31 am #

    I’ve implemented IP and BPS and I’m familiar with BPC. They are all totally different solutions and are not comparable. The question is not witch tool you use but how you want to plan.
    A central maintained planning(IP) tool or a decentral maintained tool. In case of a central maintained tool there is less flexibility but also less accuracy and it has a lower cost of maintenance. The decentral tool(BPC) gives more flexiblity to the end-user. But also don’t underestimate the IM work there, also in BPC they only have the possibility to work in the predefined set of data.

    The time for implementing both in my cases were identical. If you have BW 70 installed the development is rarely more then 2 months for IP.

    One of my most appreciated projects in planning is even running on BPS within BW. All people are really enjoying the tool not because it is flexible but because it is very fast and very detailed. They can do a complete new plancycle updating all 150 parts of the P&L within one day. Latest changes from management are entered and within 15 minutes a complete product p&l can be created.

    For planning IP and BPS are very powerfull tools for the company but offer less flexibility for the user. BPC is quit flexible but doesn’t offer much added value for the company because you will see that the more flexibility the more time it will take for people to create the planning.

    I would like a BPC frontend and the IP power and possibilities, maybe one day….

  9. byron March 26, 2008 at 9:53 am #

    Kris,
    Thanks for the comments. I envy the opportunities you’ve had to implement planning. It sounds like your experiences were fairly positive and at 2 months each, they seem to have gone faster than other customers I’ve spoken with. We had occassion to talk with an SAP customer who was in their 8th month of a BI-IP implementation, and it wasn’t going all that well.
    The BPC front-end does look nice and a bit simpler than IP. The simplicity of BPC certainly is what SAP keeps harping on. I hope it lives up to the expectations I’ve developed.

  10. Kris Bornauw March 26, 2008 at 10:12 am #

    Byron,
    I think I have done one of the biggest planning projects in the pharmacy in Europe. With IP you can create your planning screens as simple as you want(use of BW webdesigner or visual composer), and the advantage is that if you know reporting you know planning. Indeed in BPC everything looks much simpler but only if you have as user a lot of time to navigate and is also a business expert.

    This flexibility that we encountered made the planning not usefull anymore for coorperate reporting because everyone made a comlete new budget environment not taking into account that it always should match R3.

    Keep in mind that BPC will not solve any planning issue compared to IP, If planning is 100% IP and BPS are able to resolve 90% of all complex functions and BPC max 60% but as always image is everything so BPC will indeed be sold better to the customer.

    Last quarter we delivered an upgrade of 3.5 to 70 and an IP project in 80 mandays. Planning on quantities/prices/COGS/revenue on different planning levels.
    If the customer needs 8 months for implementing a planning tool maybe is the planning process to complex or there is a technical problem.

    Also as I understood SAP, IP will remain the base planning tool for planning functions but the frontend will be BPC, I can hardly believe that the complex planning functions that can be run in IP and are not applicable in BPC like fox programming or use of planning abap will be reprogrammed in BPC.

    Kind regard
    Kris

  11. byron March 26, 2008 at 10:55 am #

    Kris,
    Thanks for expanding on those details. You’ve given me a renewed desire to look into BPC. One of our problems is that we’ve had trouble getting the Java stack implemented into our BI 7.0, so we still don’t have Virtual Composer or Web App Designer. I’ve been waiting a year to get into those tools, but no luck.

    Concerning the roadmap for IP, I sat in on a presentation by Stephanie Buscemi of SAP at Financials 2008, and the roadmap she gave indicated that IP was going to be primarily directed at customers with existing IP investments. We do have a meeting with SAP next week to discuss the BOBJ roadmap, so I hope to have a little better idea of what they’re thinking after that. I wrote up what I heard on the roadmaps here

    I’ll post again if I get any more “official” information.

    Best regards,
    Byron

  12. TJ April 18, 2008 at 12:04 am #

    I’m in the midst of a BPC 5.1 implementation and I can say it can certainly be setup to be very user centric and is also very flexible.
    Main problems we’ve encountered thus far? Scalability (& stability in a large implementation) & integration with SAP.
    I’m told SP4 will resolve the issues we’ve encountered in 5.1. My understanding is they finally got it right in the latest version of OutlookSoft 4.X but Outlooksoft 5.X brings in a LOT of new bugs. 5.1 SP2 is the most stable version available to public thus far.
    How much data are you planning to put in? How important is the ease of formatted reporting? Do you need top-down planning functions?
    Given your talking about being a SAP shop, How strong is your Company’s MS SQL Server & Analysis Services skills?

  13. byron April 19, 2008 at 9:05 pm #

    TJ,
    Good luck with the implementation. Thanks for sharing a little about what you’re seeing.

    When we finally get started with a system, we are primarily going to be doing P&L budgeting. This is limited to a couple hundred thousand records for the P&L budget. We don’t budget at the customer or material levels.

    We do have fairly strong MS SQL Server resources, but I’m not sure they do much with Analysis Services (if that’s reporting related).

    Thanks again for dropping a note. Would love to hear back from you when you get up and running.

    Best regards,
    Byron

  14. Andy Becker June 10, 2008 at 6:07 am #

    Having done a very advanced setup of outlooksoft before it became part of SAP, I can say the tool was a pleaseure to work with, very flexible and the results highly rewarding (hmmm, maybe this is sounding too positive.) End users do demand an easy to use interface, and something that is easy to learn. Outlooksoft was very good at this, since it is using the spreadsheet interface that all financial people are intimately familiar with.

    The way we pushed the outlooksoft tool was beyond what they had ever invisioned and many of the custom functions developed became a part of outlooksoft 4.2 (have them support the code, not us. Plus help gain a larger user base so the tool will have long term viability)

    From what I have heard about the competing platforms, several aspects of our results would not have been possible. But having never worked on them before I cannot say for certain.

    I am excited about where BPC is going and would like to see more of it, I think a lot of companies would have access to better information to make more informed decisions if they would use a tool like this.

  15. David DB June 12, 2008 at 2:55 am #

    I recommend BPC for the speed of integration. From what we have seen, it is by far the easiest to implement, and extend with internal resources. New version 7.0 introduces Netweaver BI backend, and maintains ease of use. I have heard one of the old OutlookSoft partners offers an integration with Business Objects as an enhancement. Google OutlookSoft…

  16. Barry A June 12, 2008 at 1:14 pm #

    We are looking to move from BPS to IP. We are a little concerned that jumping directly to OutlookSoft would be a risk. We planning to go to IP and take a wait and see approach with OutlookSoft. Does anyone have any thoughts on this approach?

  17. byron July 6, 2008 at 8:28 am #

    Hi Barry,

    Sorry about the long delay in answering your comment…slipped by me. My understanding is that SAP is having a lot of success in bringing customers onto BPC (Outlooksoft). I don’t know of any major reasons to hesitate about BPC at this time unless you’re wanting to wait until it is fully integrated into the BI Netweaver as David mentions above.

    I don’t know that anyone would recommend going to IP as a stop gap for BPC unless you just don’t want to pay the BPC licensing. Then BI-IP might be attractive. Even then, the major hurdle will be the implementation cost (and time and complexity).

    Budgeting is generally not considered a great value add activity. Many “experts”/academics are starting to recommend that companies forego the traditional budget all together. This makes cost justification for something like BPC…mmmmm…tricky.

    Best regards,
    Byron

  18. Kris Bornauw July 7, 2008 at 3:30 am #

    Very strange remark on the planning recomendation, if planning doesn’t add value, then you are not doing your job correctly. A plan is like a promise a guideline, of course it is not correct but at least you have to have some direction.
    It is like building a skyscraper and just starting it with no plans. But indeed the classic budgetting is out of business, budgetting is not a once a year action but a continues exercise. Every week revising the next 3 years, trying to predict the next three months with 95% accurancy. Therefor indeed the BPC is not suitable yet but it will if it works inside BW. But for now go for IP ir you want this.
    We tried BPC in a complex planning environment, and we didn’t manage to make it powerfull enough to support complex and large datasets. But this will be solved in the comming months/years.
    At this moment I recommend if you have a complex planning scenario and a lot of data to move to IP. If you have a normal planning environment then BPC is a very good tool(but not yet on top of BW what is a pitty soon to be in ramp up). I’m convinced that BPC will in the comming years be a mixture of the power of IP and userfriendliness of outlooksoft. Where there will be migration tools from IP and outlooksoft.

    Kris

  19. byron July 7, 2008 at 10:32 am #

    Hi Kris,

    Thanks for jumping in. My comments were perhaps a bit hasty/incomplete. There is certainly a need for planning. You have to know where to concentrate your spending and your selling, and having some expectation of the outcome lets you plan those activities even further out. As you say, though, the once-a-year budget is being put out to pasture in favor of a more agile model.

    Putting an ROI on budgeting software is a challenging exercise. Particularly if you’re not in a complex budgeting environment. This is where my value-add comment came from. If you could improve your current budget process so that it lets you spend 10% less money and earn 10% more in sales, you would do it. For companies that have already optimized the output of their planning processes, the biggest gain they can hope for from new software is to be able to do it easier and at less expense. That value goes up with complexity. For companies that have not tried to squeeze the value from their plans because it would be too complex, perhaps new software will open new doors.

    I’m in wholesale distribution, so I don’t get the fun that goes into a manufacturing plan. I could see where an integrated planning system would be a major boon. Still, putting a $ value on that would be tricky.

    Byron

  20. Alex Brain July 8, 2008 at 5:03 am #

    Hello Everyone…

    My brother and I are considering doing one of SAPs training courses on BPC in Boston later this month. He is a freelance consultant in the area of SEM-BPS (and now IP). He thinks BPC might be an interesting area for future projects, and wants more knowledge. I’m a bit younger (I come from a SAP recruiting background) and am looking for some hands-on SAP experience and thought BPC might be a good new technology to familiarize myself with.

    Do people think BPC is a good area to get into? Is the market shifting in this direction? Is it too early to start learning this application or should we wait until BPC is running off of the SAP Netweaver platform?

    Any comments would be most appreciated!

    Thanks,
    Alex

  21. byron July 8, 2008 at 7:53 am #

    Hi Alex,
    I don’t have a real good answer for you (hopefully someone else will). There are 2 big questions about whether it’s too early to take the training or not:

    1) Does the training already use a version of BPC that uses the Netweaver backend?
    2) Does the switch to the Netweaver backend dramatically change the configuration activities in BPC?

    Bear in mind that BPC is being represented as more of an end-user tool than BI-IP, where accounting/finance departments can play a major role in the configuration of the actual budget process. This portion of BPC should not dramatically change with a backend switch.

    I’m not really sure category of consultant BPC or BI-IP fall into. Is it FICO or a general Netweaver?

  22. Arin July 10, 2008 at 9:58 am #

    Hi,
    I was recently enquiring into the courses and SAP mentioned that the training is currently on the older version of BPC and not the new one (which uses the Netweave backend)

  23. byron July 10, 2008 at 11:54 am #

    Arin,

    Thanks for the info. I don’t recall when the new version of BPC was released. If it’s not too far in the future, it may be worth waiting, but software releases are somewhat unpridictable, so holding one’s breath doesn’t always pan out.

    Cheers!
    Byron

  24. Ivan July 12, 2008 at 10:12 pm #

    Current training is still with version 5.1

    I believe 7.0 is to be released shortly if not already, but only on ramp-up. Keep in mind that there is a microsoft version as well as a netweaver version for v7.0.

    Keep upto date, by reading Ryan Leask’s blog on sdn!

  25. byron July 13, 2008 at 10:47 am #

    Hi Ivan,

    Thanks for the info. Particularly the tip on Ryan’s blog!

    Here’s the link:
    https://www.sdn.sap.com/irj/sdn/weblogs?blog=/pub/wlg/10100

    Cheers!
    Byron

  26. Alex Brain July 14, 2008 at 3:18 am #

    I’d like to thank everyone on the feedback! I think now I’m going to wait until SAP gives training on the 7.0 Netweaver release, hopefully within the next 1/2 year or so. I’d rather take the course based on the new release rather than learn 5.1 and then have to jump to 7.0.

  27. byron July 14, 2008 at 7:52 am #

    Alex,

    Hopefully the wait won’t be long. It would be a great bonus if they provide both the Microsoft and Netweaver training in the same package for you (if that’s even possible).

    Good luck!
    Byron

  28. baba_man August 21, 2008 at 3:45 am #

    Hello Everyone,

    I have found your comments about SAP BPC and IP very interesting.

    I am part of a Oil & Gas company in Europe who are using Cognos Planning 8.1 at the moment for our budgeting and forecasting cycles. We do a 15yr Plan cycle as well as a quaterly forecast cycle.

    We are looking at migrating to BPC and would appreciate if you guys had any thoughts on how BPC compared to Cognos and even how Cognos compared to IP.

    From the posts that I have read, BPC does not seem to be as powerful in terms of developing complex models as Cognos or IP.

    Regards

    baba_man

  29. Bard Skogstad October 9, 2008 at 2:57 pm #

    This has been an interesting discussion and I would appreciate views on the following as I`m engaged in a discussion concerning pros and cons between SAP BPC and Cognos planning for an oil and gas company in Europe.

    The question to some extent limits down to which of them is best suited for 1) budget/forcasting, future cashflow projections and balance estimates and 2) witch is best suited for cashflow/balance simmulations based on different scenarios (oilprice, USD, production, investment etc).

    Any thoughts?

    Regards BS

  30. byron October 9, 2008 at 3:35 pm #

    Hi Bard,
    I’ll have to leave this question to the other readers as we have elected not to go with BPC since we couldn’t make it fit within our spending constraints.

    I will say that we usually prefer to stick with SAP solutions for integration and support reasons, and will add that BPC is definitely SAP’s lead horse for budgeting and planning. That said, we didn’t have the funds for it. We are evaluating other options and limping by on our old solution which is an in-house VB6/SQL Server app that is becoming a bear to distribute out to all of the managers that need it.

    Sorry I can’t address your questions directly…Hopefully someone else will pick up the thread for you!

    Best Regards,
    Byron

  31. Bard Skogstad October 10, 2008 at 12:54 am #

    Thanks for your reply.

    Posting my question I was mainly addressing functionality, but as you comment we as well have discussions on spending.

    Due to the investment indications we have received on SAP BPC and Cognos we are now taking a step back and investigating other alternatives as well. These are mainly in two directions; 1) developing the current inhouse Excel model, 2) looking at more industry specific solutions as for example Wood Mackenzie Global model, Rystad Cube, SIAM etc

    Regarding number 1 this is not a very attractive alternative as it is time consuming and not very well suited for distribution. Excel models have devinitive also some QA issues.

    Regarding number 2 we have just started looking into it. And do not have the full picture. If any has any suggestions on alternatives to consider or know some of the ones I listed I would really appreciate your input.

    Regards Bard

  32. byron October 10, 2008 at 7:44 am #

    Bard,
    You might want to take a look at Longview Solutions. Their product is called Kahlix. They’re very well known for their allocations and consolidations capabilities and have some pretty major customers using the product. I think there were some oil and gas companies on the list I saw, but couldn’t swear to it.

    Byron

  33. Rutger van den Berg November 21, 2008 at 10:13 am #

    SAP recently announced their roadmap for SAP BPC. With SAP BPC V7.0 in ramp up, there will be integration with Netweaver and BW. This version is in fact a new product and will allow direct access from BPC to the data warehouse for SAP ERP and BW users. The current version of SAP BPC (5.2) will be upgraded to v7.0 as well (which is really 5.3), and will continue to support Microsoft SQL Server. It’s expected that this version will be released earlier than the Netweaver version, and will contain some minor fixes. The release dates are not really clear yet, but the first specs should be available in december.

  34. Byron Bennett November 21, 2008 at 10:38 am #

    Hi Rutger,

    Thanks for the update!

  35. Poov November 27, 2008 at 9:49 am #

    Hi,
    Anybody can provide me OutllokSoft/WebExcel study material please? The architecture of my project is Microsoft SQL Server – OLTP and OLAP and Outlooksoft – Webexcel as cleint. I dont have any study material on this.
    Thanks in advance

  36. Charles L. December 31, 2008 at 10:33 am #

    Really enjoying the discussion on this topic. Particularly like Kris’ perspective.
    We are conducting research on a new planning tool (to replace Khalix).
    We are a VERY large SAP installation running BI 7.0.
    BI-IP makes sense over BPC for so many reasons:
    – users and IT are already familiar/experts with BI functionality
    – our BI landscape/master data is well established – seems logical to simply build planning into this as another dimension.
    – no additional licensing costs. This is a big consideration for us.
    – Better standardization and centralized control (and reconciliation)
    – proven track record
    – better integration with other SAP systems
    – we don’t need any consolidation functionality
    If you’re running BI 7.0, I can’t see any reason to pay additional licensing and get your users/IT people trained up on a tool that SAP bought last minute to compete with the big boys like Hyperion.

  37. Byron Bennett December 31, 2008 at 3:00 pm #

    Hi Charles,

    BI-IP could certainly be the right choice in the right circumstances. Last I heard, BI-IP will have extended maintenance available through 2016. That gives companies quite a while to get to a good stable platform before going unsupported. A lot of things can change in 7 years!

    I I’ve heard a few times now that BPC doesn’t deal with complexity as well as some other solutions out there. I think, as you allude, that Kris also mentioned that above. On the other hand, I have heard that Khalix is pretty good with complex models and dealing with large amounts of data. Has that been your experience with Khalix? And if you don’t mind sharing, why are you looking to replace Khalix?

    Hope your search goes well.

    Happy new year! Here’s to a healthy and prosperous 2009!
    Byron

  38. Charles L. January 2, 2009 at 6:04 am #

    Hi Byron,
    The complexity and cost of integrating Khalix into our landscape outweighs its benefit. We have been runing Khalix since 1999 and it has simply become another one of those underutilized poorly understood applications. It is a legacy application in every sense of the term.
    Good to hear about BI-IP support until 2016!

  39. Damien Wiegman January 18, 2009 at 9:01 am #

    Hi all,

    As a consultant working with Outlooksoft and SAP BPC for years I enjoy reading this post. My experience with SAP BPC is that it is very flexible and that you can meet almost any customer requirement regarding Planning and Budgeting. Be careful with the design for performance optimalization on the long run. Try to find a decent mix between real-time analysis and batch storage. Be aware that SAP BPC is not a prepackaged appplication and that there is a fair amount of development work needed. You are really in control of the quality.

    I saw some questions regarding the stability of the software and differences between SAP BPC 5.1 and SAP BPC 7.0. Be sure to check my blog for periodical updates about just these topics:

    http://www.cpmview.com/corporate-performance-management-blog.html

    Damien

  40. Dries P January 18, 2009 at 1:35 pm #

    Hi Charles,

    I’ve implemented both BI IP projects as well as SAP BPC. The main benefit of BPC is that it is a tool which better fits the end user. From my experience, the user feels more confident of using the BPC tool, instead of the more complex IP. IP is typically a tool owned by IT’ers, while BPC is a tool owned by the end users. a typical IP projects ends in a large plannning model, but the user will only use an upload function to upload its budget created in a local excell … Another benefit op BPC is performance. In IP you struggle with huge performance issues when a lot of data is displayed on a screen…

    The disadvantage of BPC is indeed an additional licence cost. BUT, the implementation effort of BPC is very limited compared to IP. So you easily earn this expense back, especially when changes are requested later on by the user …

    if you have additional questions, do not hesitate to contact me
    paesmansd@delaware.be

  41. Byron Bennett January 18, 2009 at 10:35 pm #

    Hi Damien, Dries,

    Thanks for dropping by and weighing in. It’s been very interesting to see all these different perspectives on BPC and BI-IP.

    Ultimately, I think it is pretty clear that SAP as an organization is headed in the BPC and Business Objects direction for the foreseeable future. What that means for BI-IP and the BI platform in general is still a bit hazy to me. Perhaps BI is destined to become the guts.

    Cheers!
    Byron

  42. Kiran February 6, 2009 at 5:42 am #

    Dear All,

    Can you help me in getting some training on SAP BPC?

    Thanks,
    Kiran
    vkkiran@gmail.com

  43. Byron Bennett February 6, 2009 at 8:32 am #

    Hi Kiran,

    Here is a guide getting help on BPC: How to Get Help on BPC. Beyond that, you should be able to search the SAP SDN site to get more info. But check out that guide. I think that should help.

    Byron

  44. arunpsd February 6, 2009 at 10:37 pm #

    Hi !
    We are also in the process of evaluating an implementing a Financial planning solution for our enterprise (extremely large manufacturing organization).
    Oracle is making a strong pitch for Hyperion Strategic Finance (HSF).

    Any views/comments on HSF vs SAP BPC would be highly appreciated.

  45. Vlad February 25, 2009 at 9:04 am #

    Hi all,

    Personally I am a SAP FI/CO consultant and I have never deal with BPC at this point although I am considering to take a training soon.
    As I already read most of the posts here, I see that a lot of you have experience with SAP BPC. I am working currently on developing a proposal for potential clients on BPC. I wanted to ask you in your experince what do you consider as disadvantage or the worst aspects of the application. Why would you not implement it or why would avoid it at this moment.? In practice isn’t it provide enough for planning and consolidations or still needs lots of improvements. Of course your personal opinion, somthing that you have experince already.

    Thanks in advance,

  46. Freek Geldof March 19, 2009 at 5:32 am #

    Hi all,

    First of all, very insightfull to read discussion IP vs BPC.

    I am a SAP BW consultant and wanted to have a look at SAP BPC. We have a SAP demo environment at our company. Is it possible to install an evaluation copy of SAP BPC on a DEMO system?

    If so, how and where?

    Thanks in advance for your reply!

    Best regards,

    Freek Geldof

  47. Sam April 29, 2009 at 11:25 am #

    Any opinions on BPC implementation consulting teams? Who is out there that has really done it and are good at and who is speeding up still etc? Any thoughts on Deloitte for implementation? Thanks.

  48. Byron Bennett April 29, 2009 at 11:45 am #

    Hi Sam,

    I can’t speak to BPC implementation consulting. As to using one of the Big guys (DC, CG, Accenture), they should have all bring solid methodologies and have a stable of solid consultants. There are others who can speak to this better than I, but I would say if you’re trying to decide between them, you’re looking at which methodology suits you and studying resumes of their consultants.

    We had a strong recommendation from OutlookSoft (back before it became BPC) for Aster Group for doing an implementation. I think they were one of their primary partners in that prior incarnation of BPC. They now do BPC implementations, but I can’t give you a first hand recommendation as we have not worked with them.

    We have worked with DC in the past and have had a good relationship with them. These things do boil down to having a good relationship and the right people on the team.

    Hopefully someone else can give you some more precise information.

    Cheers,
    Byron

  49. Byron Bennett April 29, 2009 at 11:48 am #

    Hi Freek,

    You’d probably need to talk with your SAP rep about getting a BPC demo installed. I’d bet that with the right level of potential/interest in doing a deal, they can make almost anything happen.

    I’m not aware of a download you can do on your own. It’s probably a pretty sizeable task.

    Byron

  50. Michelle Spamer May 6, 2009 at 6:30 am #

    Hi My Name is Michelle, I am a Recruiter and I am searching for some SAP BPC consultants for a permanent position in Johannesburg. If anyone is keen or knows anyone that would be, could you please let me know. Michelles@kwena.net. Thanks Michelle.

  51. Tamsin May 6, 2009 at 7:37 am #

    Hi, I am searching for SAP BPC resources, does anybody know anyone whom is looking or where I might be able to find this type of person.
    Thanking you in advance.

  52. Raghu May 19, 2009 at 11:02 am #

    Hi,
    Ive looking on sap bpc 5.0. If any positions then let me know. send the details to my mail add

    Regards
    Raghu

  53. Emily May 21, 2009 at 3:02 pm #

    Hi – am interested in understanding a bit more about BPC’s forecasting abilities outside of the traditional financial forecasting arena.

    For example, does BPC have demand-driven forecasting or consensus planning capabilities? If so, is BPC scalable to handle a large number of forecasts (5000+)? Any sources/resources you can provide that would help me understand a bit more about any such capabilities?

    Thanks!
    Emily

  54. Barry A May 21, 2009 at 4:29 pm #

    Still in the process of making the decision between IP and BPC. We are currently in the construction phase of a project and use BPS funcionality for budgetary control. We have to undertake development in one of the aforementioned products as we have nothing in place right now.

    I have not seen any comments here about success stories. Anyone out there in a position to share their story? Successes or horror stories.

    Thanks,

    Barry

  55. Barry A May 21, 2009 at 4:59 pm #

    Need to correct my last comment.

    We have a BPS utility that we use for our construction reporting and budgetary control that works great. We need to develop our budgeting / forecasting for our operations activities. Sorry for any confusion

    Barry

  56. Naresh May 27, 2009 at 2:22 am #

    I am an BPC consultant.looking for Job change.and i worked on BPC 5.1 and now migrated to BPC NW version which is a new addition.

    Regards,
    Naresh.

  57. Michelle Spamer May 27, 2009 at 7:35 am #

    Hi Naresh

    Please contact Tamsin at tamsinj@kwena.net for further communication re: position for SAP BPC Consultants.

    Thanks
    Michelle

  58. sam June 2, 2009 at 2:03 am #

    Hi,

    I’m think about implement either SAP BPC or Oracle HSF suppose more favorite on BPC but Oracle HSF claim is unique strategic finance solution, is it true? or BPC can also has same features?

    thanks,
    sam.

  59. Balaji.P June 3, 2009 at 2:35 am #

    Hi,
    Good day Every one

    I need a help documentation on BPC 5.0 which is on BPF(Business Process Flow).

    If any one know about it. Plz give me clear idea or else send the help links.

    Regards
    Balaji

  60. Tamsin June 9, 2009 at 2:17 am #

    Hi Naresh,

    Please contact me or give me your email address as we have a vacancy in SA for a SAP BPC Consultant.

    Thanks.

    Tamsin

  61. Tamsin June 9, 2009 at 2:19 am #

    Hi Raghu,

    Please contact me or give me your email address as we have a vacancy in SA for a SAP BPC Consultant.

    Thanks.

    Tamsin

  62. Raghu.P June 9, 2009 at 3:10 am #

    Hi
    Good day Tamsin

    Thank you for reply. Just now ive send my details to you.

    Thank you very much

    Have a nice day

  63. Ozan June 15, 2009 at 10:11 am #

    Hi,
    I’m a SAP-BI consultant and would like to have some documentation and demos on SAP- BPC.
    If you can provide me some, I’ll be so glad.I also couldn’t see any roadmap on BPC, please advise me.

  64. Michelle Spamer June 23, 2009 at 6:23 am #

    Hi. I am looking for SAP BPC resources who would like to work in South Africa. If you are keen please can you email me on tamsinj@kwena.net.

  65. Ram June 29, 2009 at 9:06 am #

    Providing SAP BPC 7.0 Training both Online and Classroom. If interested, Please contact me at the earliest

  66. Tamsin July 21, 2009 at 4:34 am #

    HI, is anyone looking for SAP BPC Position in SA? If so please let me know.

    Thanks, tamsinj@kwena.net

  67. Ido August 6, 2009 at 3:23 am #

    Hi,
    Is anyone can recomended about a BPC course for a developer who know BW sem and IP.
    Thanks

  68. Ann August 25, 2009 at 1:47 pm #

    Interested in how it is going with BPC 7.0 NetWeaver version. I have not seen any comments here about success stories. Anyone out there in a position to share their story? Successes or horror stories

  69. Barry A August 25, 2009 at 2:12 pm #

    Have just recently made the decision to move forward with BPC, targeting a kick off the first week of December and a completion May 2010. Will keep everyone informed of our challenges and successes.

  70. Byron Bennett August 25, 2009 at 2:14 pm #

    Thanks, Barry. Looking forward to hearing how it goes!
    Byron

  71. Kris August 26, 2009 at 3:20 am #

    Hello,

    We started the BPS first on SQL and found it OK and quickly installed, it misses a lot of planning functions and basic planning tools, but for pure data entry it contains really interesting thins. Once we started the planning functions like distributions to lower levels or specialized copy functions we needed a lot of proggramming and we missed something like FOX or the IP modeler to work in different aggregation levels.

    Now we implemented in Netweaver and we are very dissapointed. The system creates by application set different planning cubes. In a simple planning application we had 6 different cubes. Data stored in one cube can not be used in an other, so for example if we saved sales prices on customer level and cost prices on material level. We do not want to bother the user by explaining to select # values for specific filters.

    We can now not have one planning screen containing both, the same with plan actuals, we need to reload then everytime in the planning cubes.

    Also the cubes automatically created have wrong dimension structures, for every new characteristic he create a new dimension.

    So where BPC SQL was very attractive, Netweaver is certainly not an imporvement to my opinion

    Kris

  72. sangita mangal September 14, 2009 at 9:38 am #

    I am currently working for SAP BPC5.1 Could anyone provide me with more information on the comparision between 5.1 and Netweaver version of SAP BPC.

  73. Tamsin October 15, 2009 at 12:13 am #

    HI any SAP BPC Consultants looking for work in JHB, South Africa. PLease contact me.
    Jobs@kwena.net

  74. Santo October 16, 2009 at 9:44 am #

    Does anyone have a Hyperion vs BPC comparison, focused more on business features / functions. That said, I would welcome a comparison on IT and Change Management features as well. thanks

  75. Kristo November 26, 2009 at 11:46 am #

    hello
    anyone can help me with this : where to find some user friendly docs, powerpoint presentations about bpc . thanks in advance

  76. enriquefi December 2, 2009 at 5:35 pm #

    Hello,

    Anyone know about implementation time of BPC for IFRS.

    Too a methodology Implementation.

    Thanks

    Enrique

  77. Santo December 3, 2009 at 7:56 am #

    With BPC 7.5, SAP will introduce a ‘Starter Kit’ that is suppose to accelerate IFRS compliance. It will include:
    – Preconfigured BPC software
    – IFRS compliant reports and statements (e.g., Income and Cash Flow Statements)
    – Training material

  78. enriquefi December 8, 2009 at 12:21 pm #

    How do you compare SAP BPC vs Hyperion?
    Which of the two is better for IFRS?

  79. kishore December 29, 2009 at 6:33 am #

    can someone give ur mail id so that i can ask my doubts regarding sapbpc5.1

  80. Tamsin January 4, 2010 at 7:11 am #

    Hi, If anyone has strong SAP BPC Implementation experience, as well as an accounting and consulting background, and would like to work in Cape Town or Johannesburg in South Africa then please contact Kwena Human Capital- or email jobs@kwena.net.

    Thanks.

  81. Tamsin January 4, 2010 at 7:12 am #

    Hi, If anyone has strong SAP BPC Implementation experience, as well as an accounting and consulting background, and would like to work in Cape Town or Johannesburg in South Africa then please contact Kwena Human Capital.

    Thanks.

  82. Laura January 25, 2010 at 9:45 am #

    I’m looking for SAP BPC direct hire candidates. Laura.Marin@sap.com
    No 3rd parties pls.

  83. Nathan February 5, 2010 at 11:24 am #

    FYI if you use the camera tool in excel with BPC it will slow down your reports by about a factor of 10. Unfortunate b/c I had some really slick looking titling going on with the camera tool and had to remove it all for performance reasons.

  84. Drye March 1, 2010 at 3:15 am #

    Hi,

    Our company is one of the partners of SAP selling SAP BPC. I, myself, am proud of that product. We have the latest version thereof, anyway. I must say it is really flexible when it comes to budgeting and of course, consolidation.

    But it isn’t my concern this time. LOLz! I need for now is a copy of Business Rules training files. Could someone lend me a hand? Thank You so much!

    Be blessed! Have a great day! ^_^

  85. Jumpi March 12, 2010 at 1:10 pm #

    Hi all,

    I am SAP BI, IP and BO consultant and if you’re running BW ,under my opinion, IP is the best option. Just one example, in BPC a user can create a new product and plan over it even if it is not existing neither in R/3 neither in BW. As of now, BPC maybe is flexible but it does not offer a strong planning platform.

    Regards to all.

  86. Annette March 15, 2010 at 11:42 am #

    Where can I get a list of all the issues/exceptions for BPC?

  87. Laura March 17, 2010 at 5:41 am #

    Hi all,

    I am looking for a SAP BPC freelance consultant that would like to work in a project in Dubai. Anybody interested send me an email to lnunez@pixie-services.com

    Kindest Regards,

    Laura

  88. Tamsin March 24, 2010 at 4:20 am #

    Good day,

    I am looking for SAP BPC consultants to join a SAP partner Company in South Africa. The company will hire contractors or permanent staff. The position can be based either in Johannesburg or Cape Town. If interested please contact Kwena Human Capital or email jobs@kwena.net

  89. Mpho May 27, 2010 at 1:35 am #

    Good Day

    Im an Information System graduate from University and im highly interested in studying SAP .What is the procedure of registering?

    thank you
    mpho phokontsi

  90. outlooksoft June 14, 2010 at 10:58 pm #

    We want to switch over from BI-IP to SAP BPC. What are the technical requirements for that?
    Please suggest. Thank you

  91. Tamsin July 26, 2010 at 2:09 am #

    Good day,
    I am looking for SAP BPC resources for a company in South Africa.
    If interested please contact Kwena Human Capital/ jobs@kwena.net

  92. Tamsin August 24, 2010 at 8:01 am #

    Good day, I am looking for a SAP BPC resource for companies in the UK, Swedan and South Africa. If interested please contact Kwena Human capital/jobs@kwena.net

  93. arun reddy September 9, 2010 at 1:17 pm #

    Hi
    I m SAP BI -IP Consultant
    Now a days i m preparing SAP BPC 7.5 Certification at UK London ,Any one can give some doc or any power presentation and to be success of bpc certification.

  94. adhitya October 18, 2010 at 12:22 pm #

    can any one give the complete details of difference between SAP BPC 7.0version and SAP BPC 7.5version

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